There have been recent major changes to journeys by train from Madrid to Zaragoza as travellers could already choose between three high speed train services; the standard AVE services and two more basic services - the avlo and Ouigo trains.
And now yet another operator, iryo, has joined route and its full service trains aim to offer a similar service level to the AVE services at a competitive price.
In contrast the core concept for the avlo and Ouigo services is that they offer fewer on board facilities (no bar car, no 1st class seating, no on board entertainment) and have less generous luggage allowances (see below), but have generally cheaper ticket prices than the AVE trains.
Compare the prices per departure carefully on your travel dates, all four services, AVE, avlo, iryo and Ouigo are available on both Trenes and Trainline.
There are also non-high speed services available, handy for users of Eurail and InterRail passes looking to avoid the rail pass reservation fees on AVE trains
Rail passes aren't valid on the avlo, iryo and Ouigo services.
When travelling between most cities by train there is only one logical option, though on other journeys there is a choice between different trains or alternative routes. If different options are available you can use the info to decide which is best for you.
1hr 15min - 1hr 25min
Daily
Monday to Friday = 11 x trains per day
Saturday and Sunday = 10 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Renfe is the national rail operator in Spain and it has recently simplified the range of tickets it sells for express and regional train journeys in Spain.
Which is convenient as there are big savings to be made if you book ahead online.
Final Destination: Barcelona or Figueres or Zaragoza or Marseille
Most departures will be handled by the AVE 103 trains, but the AVE 102 trains are also used on this route.
The train which departs typxially Madrid at 13:25 is an AVE 100 train that will be travelling on to Marseille.
The core differences between avlo and AVE services, aside from avlo not conveying 1st/Preferente/Comfort class are:
Luggage allowance on AVE trains = Up to 3 pieces of hand luggage onto the train, provided that the sum of the three does not exceed 25 kg or 290 cm.
The maximum dimensions allowed are 85x55x35 cm.
Luggage allowance on avlo trains = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
1 piece of additional, larger-sized luggage, measuring a maximum of 85x60x35 cm (or no more than 180 cm in total) can be be paid for as an added allowance - but the price for doing this ranges from €10 if added when booking, to €30 at the station just prior to boarding.
Another core difference is boarding time, SMTJ suggests being at Madrid Atocha least 20 mins before boarding an AVE train, because having once been towards the back of a long queue for the security check procedures, this scenario is best avoided.
However, for the avlo services, the specific recommendation from renfe is to be at the station a minimum of 30 minutes before departure.
Because the size and weight of the luggage will be measured at the station pre-boarding an avlo train.
This journey showcases the best of high speed train travel, we nearly placed it in the scenic journeys category.
You won't see typical stunning views of mountains and coasts, but the combination of incredible speed and sweeping distant views over central Spain can be exhilarating.
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date - depending on the time of year.
Both the Renfe (Spanish national railways) online booking service and the ticketing services Trainline and Trenes sell tickets for journeys by the avlo and AVE trains.
Trainline and Trenes also sell tickets for the alternative iryo and Ouigo services.
On this route, prices are set per departure according to demand, hence the lack of price info below.
It can pay off to be as flexible as possible regarding departure and arrival times if you want to take the AVE trains, because on this route it’s not unusual for a few departures to be available at much cheaper price, regardless of how far ahead you will be booking.
The limited numbers of tickets released for sale at very cheapest prices also inevitably sell out, so if possible book more than a couple of months ahead and you’ll be more likely to find them available.
Though from the moment the tickets are placed on sale, some departures will be cheaper than others.
Prémium tickets are only available for journeys by the AVE trains.
Difference in core ticketing terms between AVE and avlo services:
Child tickets:
avlo = children aged 13 and under travel for a flat rate of €5, maximum of 2 children per fare paying Adult.
AVE = children aged 5 -13 and under are entitled to a 40% discount.
If you want to place a child aged four and under in its own seat, they will also have a 40% discount on the ticket price, but if you'll be happy to travel with the child on their lap, then there is no charge.
Amending booked tickets:
avlo = pay an additional €8 when making the initial booking and you can then make one change to an alternative choice of departure.
AVE = promo + ticket holders will receive 80% of the ticket price refunded if you then want to book a different service, but you will then have to re-purchase a new ticket for the train you now want to take.
Seat Reservations:
Seats will automatically be assigned when booking tickets for this journey by AVE and avlo services.
Rail Pass Users:
Rail pass users will need to pay reservation fees prior to boarding these trains - on this route, with its fairly frequent departures, you may as well book these reservations at the station when you arrive in Spain.
Spanish national rail operator RENFE does not sell rail pass reservations online, but reservations for journeys on the AVE trains are now available by using the Eurail reservation service or the InterRail reservation service.
The only option, other than booking them at a station in Spain, is to pre-reserve seats by calling Renfe phone sales: +34 91 232 03 20.
Pre-reserving a seat is possible up to 24 hours before a train's departure. You will receive a PNR code which you must use to pick up and pay for your reservation at a local station ticket office, making sure to show your Interrail Pass. You must collect your reservation within 72 hours. After this time the pre-reservation will expire.
Please note that a pre-reservation is not the same as a reservation. It only holds a seat for you for 72 hours.
Though if you're determined to avoid any additional fees when using your rail pass, you can take the Regional-Express train from Madrid to Zaragoza.
1hr 15min
Daily
Monday to Thursday = 9 x trains per day
Friday = 10 x trains
Saturday and Sunday = 9 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Final Destination: Barcelona
The policies around travel with bikes and dogs, as well as the the availability of on-board entertainment and the bar car are all very similar to what's available on the national rail operator, Renfe's AVE services.
The AVE trains in effect offer
Therefore the equivalents of the on-board ambiences on the iryo services are:
Though iryo will also offer a 'class' of service, Singular, in which travellers in the equivalent of 2nd class coaches with the 'Confort' seats can have access to an at seat catering menu.
However, the core differences between the iryo and AVE services are connected to the ticketing terms and conditions.
For example, when booking tickets to in the equivalent of 2nd/standard class:
The comparison between booking tickets in the equivalent of 1st/premier class is more similar, but a key difference is that if you book a Prémium ticket for an AVE service and then cancel your trip, you will receive a refund of 95% of the ticket cost, but you will receive 100% if you have booked an Infinita Abierta for travel on a iyro service.
If you will be travelling with children aged 5 -13 it's definitely worth making the comparison of the total booking price between iryo and the AVE trains which can be booked on the Renfe website.
Children aged 5 -13 and under are entitled to a 40% discount when travelling on AVE trains, but on the iryo services they are charged at the standard, Adult rate.
These iryo trains take the same route as the AVE trains.
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date .
The iryo online booking service and the ticketing services Trainline and Trenes, sell tickets for journeys by the iryo trains - but Trenes and Trainline also sell tickets for the alternative AVE, avlo and Ouigo services; though the periods of time ahead of the travel date, on which all four services can be compared, can vary.
The iryo prices are set per departure according to demand; hence the lack of price info below.
In common with the ticket pricing policy for most European high speed rail journeys, limited numbers of tickets will be available at each price, as each quota of tickets available at the cheaper price sell out, they are replaced with tickets at more expensive prices.
Similarly to how the tickets which Renfe makes available for its AVE services are sold, the terms of using the tickets to travel on iryo services, differ according to the class which you will be travelling by.
Incial Flexible
Singular Cafe Flexible and Singular Flexible tickets
Infinita Flexible
Infinita Abierta
Singular Cafe Abierta
Note that a core difference between Flexible and Abierta tickets is that the Abierta tickets can be exchanged to travel on a different date, without the difference in cost between the original booking and the price to travel by the alternative train, having to be paid.
So with Abierta tickets you have the peace of mind of knowing that you can travel on a different date to that which you originally selected, without having to pay more money, despite the likelihood that the price, of what is in effect your replacement ticket, having risen since the time of your original booking.
Making a booking
When looking up a journey on the iryo website only the prices per departure of Incial Flexible, Singular Flexible and Infinita Flexible tickets will be shown.
When more than one person will be travelling together, the price shown will be the price per ticket and not the total price for the entire party.
If you want to travel in Infinita Class with the additional benefits of an Abierta ticket, you can add it to the booking of Infinita Flexible tickets as an upgrade.
Though two options for the Infinita Abierta tickets will be available, because you can opt to pay less and then not have access to the complimentary Bistro menu,
If you want to travel in the Singular Cafe class, what isn't particularly obvious is that you can only do so by opting to upgrade Incial Flexible or Singular Flexible tickets.
To book a Singular Cafe Abierta ticket you can upgrade a Singular Flexible ticket.
To book a Singular Cafe Flexible ticket you can upgrade an Incial Flexible ticket.
Child tickets
An unconventional aspect of iryo's ticketing is that it doesn't offer dedicated rates for child tickets, when travelling with children.
Those aged 0-3 don't require a ticket if they travel on an adult's lap, but they will need a ticket if they are placed in a seat.
Children aged 4-13 travel at the 'standard' rate = the same price as Adult tickets.
1hr 18min
Daily
3 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
The French national rail operator, SNCF has for some years been operating double-decked high speed trains branded 'Ouigo' as a lower-cost, more basic alternative to regular high speed TGV services in France.
It is now also operating these Ouigo services on the Madrid to Zaragoza route:
The three daily departures are scheduled to depart Madrid Atocha at 10:05, 14:10 and 21:00.
These Ouigo services are an alternative to the two services operated on this route by Renfe, the Spanish national rail operator; the regular AVE services and the more basic (and therefore similar to Ouigo) avlo services.
The core idea is that the Ouigo (and avlo) services are more basic, but cheaper than the regular AVE services.
Though the Ouigo services are typically the cheapest option, if you book ahead you can find prices on some departures from €15.
Departing from Madrid:
You need to be at Madrid-Atocha a minimum of 30 mins before departure, in order to allow time to pass through both the Ouigo traveller checks and the security checks.
Aside from the seating and the fact that avlo are single deck trains, the key differences in the on-board experience between the Ouigo and avlo services are:
Luggage allowance on Ouigo trains = 2 pieces of hand luggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth)
OR
1 Hand baggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth) + 1 Cabin baggage not exceeding 55 x 35 x 25 cm (height x width x depth).
An additional baggage item of no more than 30 kg and 2 m x 2 m, can be paid for as an added allowance for a fee of €20.
Luggage dimensions will be checked pre-boarding and sizes of bags which exceed the luggage limit will be charged at the €20 rate.
Ouigo Plus ticket purchasers can board with this additional baggage item at no extra charge.
Luggage allowance on avlo trains = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
1 piece of additional, larger-sized luggage, measuring a maximum of 85x60x35 cm (or no more than 180 cm in total) can be be paid for as an added allowance, but the price for doing ranges from €10 if added when booking to €30 at the station just prior to boarding.
This journey showcases the best of high speed train travel, we nearly placed it in the scenic journeys category.
You won't see typical stunning views of mountains and coasts, but the combination of incredible speed and sweeping distant views over central Spain can be exhilarating.
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date - depending on the time of year.
Ouigo Plus tickets cost extra but live up to their name with XL seats available, the ability to choose a seat and to board with a large item of luggage at no additional charge.
**Summary of ticket term differences **
Child tickets:
Ouigo = children aged 4 -13 pay a flat rate of €4.
avlo = children aged 13 and under travel for a flat rate of €5, maximum of 2 children per fare paying Adult.
AVE = children aged 5 -13 and under are entitled to a 40% discount.
If you want to place a child aged four and under in its own seat, they will also have a 40% discount on the ticket price, but if you'll be happy to travel with the child on their lap, then there is no charge.
Amending booked tickets:
Ouigo =with standard tickets bookings can be amended for a flat rate of €30, but if you book Flex tickets there will be no flat rate charge, but you will have to pay the price difference (if any) on the new departure you choose.
avlo = pay an additional €8 when making the initial booking and you can then make one change to an alternative choice of departure.
AVE = only possible when booking the more expensive 'Elige' or Prémium tickets
Rail Pass Users:
Eurail and InterRail passes cannot be used on Ouigo services, but if you want to add Zaragoza to an itinerary and will be travelling with the flexible type of pass, taking the Ouigo can be worth considering, particularly if you can find tickets for under €20.
You can then use a day's travel on the flexible pass on a route when no low-cost train services are available.
2hr 15min - 2hr 24min approx
Daily
2 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Renfe is the national rail operator in Spain and it has recently simplified the range of tickets it sells for express and regional train journeys in Spain.
Which is convenient as there are big savings to be made if you book ahead online.
The national rail operator, Renfe, has launched these avlo services to provide a lower cost, but more basic alternative to its AVE trains.
This is the info page for these avlo services on the renfe website.
The core differences between avlo and AVE services, aside from avlo not conveying 1st/Preferente/Comfort class are:
Luggage allowance on AVE trains = Up to 3 pieces of hand luggage onto the train, provided that the sum of the three does not exceed 25 kg or 290 cm.
The maximum dimensions allowed are 85x55x35 cm.
Luggage allowance on avlo trains = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
1 piece of additional, larger-sized luggage, measuring a maximum of 85x60x35 cm (or no more than 180 cm in total) can be be paid for as an added allowance - but the price for doing this ranges from €10 if added when booking, to €30 at the station just prior to boarding.
Another core difference is boarding time.
SMTJ suggests being at the station, at least 20 mins before boarding an AVE train, because having once been towards the back of a long queue for the security check procedures, this scenario is best avoided.
However, for the avlo services, the specific recommendation from renfe is to be at the station a minimum of 30 minutes before departure.
Because the size and weight of the luggage will be measured at the station pre-boarding an avlo train.
This journey showcases the best of high speed train travel, we nearly placed it in the scenic journeys category.
You won't see typical stunning views of mountains and coasts, but the combination of incredible speed and sweeping distant views over central Spain can be exhilarating.
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date - depending on the time of year.
The online booking window can be shorter between late July and early October.
When looking up journeys (not travelling) between late July and early October, it's likely you won't be able to book for journeys beyond the second Sunday in December.
Both the Renfe (Spanish national railways) online booking service and the ticketing services, Trainline and Trenes sell tickets for journeys by the avlo and AVE trains.
Trainline and Trenes also sells tickets for the alternative Ouigo and iryo services.
Seats will automatically be assigned when booking tickets for this journey by AVE and avlo services.
Difference in core ticketing terms between AVE and avlo services.
Refunds
Exchanges
Child tickets:
4hr 1min - 4hr 27min
Daily
Mon - Friday = 2 x trains per day
Sat/Sun = 1 x train
Renfe is the national rail operator in Spain and it has recently simplified the range of tickets it sells for express and regional train journeys in Spain.
Which is convenient as there are big savings to be made if you book ahead online.
These trains are scheduled to depart from Madrid-Charmartin at:
07:15 on Mon - Fri
15:45 daily
Final Destination: Barcelona Franca (first train); Zaragoza-Delicias (second train)
Arriving in Zaragoza:
It's worth looking which station in Zaragoza would suit you best, before taking the 07:15 trains
After calling at Zaragoza-Delicias, it will also call at Zaragoza-Goya, which has a transfer available to the trams which serve the historic heart of the city; and at Zaragoza-Portillo.
These trains are second class/Turista class only.
Note that these trains depart from Chamartin station in Madrid and not from Atocha station - which is where the AVE trains to Barcelona to depart from.
Book early and save: No
If you haven't booked before your date of travel for an AVE train between Barcelona and Zaragoza and have time on your side, then it's likely that you'll be making a big saving by taking these trains.
Though if you can book even a couple of days ahead, it's likely that you'l find cheaper tickets for the AVE trains.
Rail Pass Users:
Reservations aren't available on these Regional Express train, so if you're travelling on a budget it's possible to to travel from Madrid to Zaragoza without paying any additional fees; if you'll be travelling with a valid Eurail or InterRail pass.
If you have a 2nd class pass you'll save €10 and if you have a 1st class pass you'll save €23.50 - though as this train is 2nd class only, there's quite a contrast between travelling on this train and in Comfort/1st class on the AVE trains.
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