Due to construction work at Atocha station, most of the trains between Madrid and Valencia are currently departing from and arriving at Chamartín-Clara Campoamor station.
There have been other recent major changes to journeys by train from Madrid to Valencia.
Travellers can now choose between four high speed train services:
The core concept for the avlo and Ouigo services is that they offer fewer on board facilities (no bar car, no 1st class seating, no on board entertainment) and have less generous luggage allowances (see below), but have generally cheaper ticket prices than the AVE trains.
Compare the prices per departure carefully on your travel dates, all four services, AVE, avlo, iryo and Ouigo are available on Trainline.
Aside from price, a key difference between the services is the luggage allowances:
AVE and iryo travellers can board with:
Up to 3 pieces of hand luggage onto the train, provided that the sum of the three does not exceed 25 kg or 290 cm.
The maximum dimensions allowed are 85x55x35 cm
avlo travellers can board at no extra charge with:
1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm.
AND
1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
Ouigo travellers can board at no extra charge with the choice of:
2 pieces of hand luggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth)
OR
1 Hand baggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth) + 1 Cabin baggage not exceeding 55 x 35 x 25 cm (height x width x depth).
When travelling between most cities by train there is only one logical option, though on other journeys there is a choice between different trains or alternative routes. If different options are available you can use the info to decide which is best for you.
1hr 50min - 2hr 3min
Daily
Mon - Friday = 11 x trains per day
Saturday = 6 x trains
Sunday = 8 x trains
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Renfe is the national rail operator in Spain and it has recently simplified the range of tickets it sells for express and regional train journeys in Spain.
Which is convenient as there are big savings to be made if you book ahead online.
Final Destination: Valencia or Castello de la Plana
The discrepancies in journey time are caused by the number of station calls the trains make.
The fastest trains are non-stop from Madrid to Valencia.
The trains will be travelling at more than 280 km/h for virtually the entire journey between the Madrid suburbs and the outskirts of Valencia.
Departing from Madrid
Note that due to construction work most of these* these trains have been switched to departing from Madrid-Chamartin instead of at [Madrid-Atocha]/train-travel-info/countries/spain/cities/madrid/rail-stations/madrid-atocha-puerta-de-atocha/).
So if you will be commencing a journey in Madrid city center, you will initially need to head north in order to join these trains, which will then travel south to Valenica.
*= the trains which typically daily at 09:40 and 19:25 are still departing from Atocha station
These are the trains which call in Valencia and then go on to Castello de la Plana
The core differences between avlo and AVE services, aside from avlo not conveying 1st/Preferente/Comfort class are:
Luggage allowance on AVE trains = Up to 3 pieces of hand luggage onto the train, provided that the sum of the three does not exceed 25 kg or 290 cm.
The maximum dimensions allowed are 85x55x35 cm.
Luggage allowance on avlo trains = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
1 piece of additional, larger-sized luggage, measuring a maximum of 85x60x35 cm (or no more than 180 cm in total) can be be paid for as an added allowance - but the price for doing this ranges from €10 if added when booking, to €30 at the station just prior to boarding.
Another core difference is boarding time, SMTJ suggests being at Madrid Atocha least 20 mins before boarding an AVE train, because having once been towards the back of a long queue for the security check procedures, this scenario is best avoided.
However, for the avlo services, the specific recommendation from renfe is to be at the station a minimum of 30 minutes before departure.
Because the size and weight of the luggage will be measured at the station pre-boarding an avlo train.
(Note that when filming these videos, ShowMeTheJourney was travelling in the opposite direction from Valencia to Madrid).
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date - depending on the time of year.
The online booking window can be shorter between late July and early October.
When looking up journeys (not travelling) between late July and early October, it's likely you won't be able to book for journeys beyond the second Sunday in December.
Both the Renfe (Spanish national railways) online booking service and the ticketing services Trainline and Trenes sell tickets for journeys by the avlo and AVE trains.
Trainlinea and Trenes also sells tickets for the alternative iryo and Ouigo services.
If you want to take an AVE train, it can pay off to be as flexible as possible regarding departure and arrival times, because for these trains on this route it’s not unusual for a few departures to be available at much cheaper price, regardless of how far ahead you will be booking.
The limited numbers of tickets released for sale at very cheapest prices also inevitably sell out, so if possible book more than a couple of months ahead and you’ll be more likely to find them available.
Though from the moment the tickets are placed on sale, some departures will be cheaper than others.
Though the non-stop (2hr 30mins) AVE trains tend to be more expensive than other departures, regardless of the time of day.
Prémium tickets are only available for journeys by the AVE trains.
Difference in core ticketing terms between AVE and avlo services.
Refunds
Exchanges
Child tickets:
Rail Pass Users:
Rail pass users will need to pay reservation fees prior to boarding the AVE, though on this route, with its fairly frequent departures, you may as well book these reservations at the station when you arrive in Spain.
Spanish national rail operator RENFE does not sell rail pass reservations online, but reservations for journeys on the AVE are now available by using the Eurail reservation service or the InterRail reservation service.
The only option, other than booking them at a station in Spain, is to pre-reserve seats by calling Renfe phone sales: +34 91 232 03 20.
Pre-reserving a seat is possible up to 24 hours before a train's departure. You will receive a PNR code which you must use to pick up and pay for your reservation at a local station ticket office, making sure to show your Interrail Pass. You must collect your reservation within 72 hours. After this time the pre-reservation will expire.
Please note that a pre-reservation is not the same as a reservation. It only holds a seat for you for 72 hours.
Though if you're determined to avoid any additional fees when using your rail pass, you can take the Regional-Express train from Madrid to Barcelona, see the info below.
Rail passes can't be used on the avlo, iryo, or Ouigo services.
1hr 59min - 2hr 5min
Daily
Monday to Friday = 8 x trains per day
Saturday and Sunday =7 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Aim to be at Atocha station a minimum of 20 mins before departure, in order to allow time to pass through the security checks.
Final Destination: Valencia
The policies around travel with bikes and dogs, as well as the the availability of on-board entertainment and the bar car are all very similar to what's available on the national rail operator, Renfe's AVE services.
The AVE trains in effect offer
Therefore the equivalents of the on-board ambiences on the iryo services are:
Though iryo will also offer a 'class' of service, Singular, in which travellers in the equivalent of 2nd class coaches with the 'Confort' seats can have access to an at seat catering menu.
The differences with taking the AVE trains
The core differences between the iryo and AVE services are connected to the ticketing terms and conditions.
For example, when booking tickets to in the equivalent of 2nd/standard class:
The comparison between booking tickets in the equivalent of 1st/premier class is more similar, but a key difference is that if you book a Prémium ticket for an AVE service and then cancel your trip, you will receive a refund of 95% of the ticket cost, but you will receive 100% if you have booked an Infinita Abierta ticket for travel on a iyro service.
If you will be travelling with children aged 5 -13 it's definitely worth making the comparison of the total booking price between iryo and the AVE trains which can be booked on the Renfe website.
Children aged 5 -13 and under are entitled to a 40% discount when travelling on AVE trains, but on the iryo services they are charged at the standard, Adult rate.
(Note that when filming these videos, ShowMeTheJourney was travelling in the opposite direction from Valencia to Madrid).
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date .
The iryo online booking service and the ticketing services Trainline and Trenes sell tickets for journeys by the iryo trains - but Trenes and Trainline also sell tickets for the alternative AVE, avlo and Ouigo services; though the periods of time ahead of the travel date, on which all four services can be compared, can vary.
In common with the ticket pricing policy for most European high speed rail journeys, limited numbers of tickets will be available at each price, as each quota of tickets available at the cheaper price sell out, they are replaced with tickets at more expensive prices.
Similarly to how the tickets which Renfe makes available for its AVE services are sold, the terms of using the tickets to travel on iryo services, differ according to the class which you will be travelling by.
Incial Flexible
Singular Cafe Flexible and Singular Flexible tickets
Infinita Flexible
Infinita Abierta
Singular Cafe Abierta
Note that a core difference between Flexible and Abierta tickets is that the Abierta tickets can be exchanged to travel on a different date, without the difference in cost between the original booking and the price to travel by the alternative train, having to be paid.
So with Abierta tickets you have the peace of mind of knowing that you can travel on a different date to that which you originally selected, without having to pay more money, despite the likelihood that the price, of what is in effect your replacement ticket, having risen since the time of your original booking.
Making a booking
When looking up a journey on the iryo website only the prices per departure of Incial Flexible, Singular Flexible and Infinita Flexible tickets will be shown.
When more than one person will be travelling together, the price shown will be the price per ticket and not the total price for the entire party.
If you want to travel in Infinita Class with the additional benefits of an Abierta ticket, you can add it to the booking of Infinita Flexible tickets as an upgrade.
Though two options for the Infinita Abierta tickets will be available, because you can opt to pay less and then not have access to the complimentary Bistro menu,
If you want to travel in the Singular Cafe class, what isn't particularly obvious is that you can only do so by opting to upgrade Incial Flexible or Singular Flexible tickets.
To book a Singular Cafe Abierta ticket you can upgrade a Singular Flexible ticket.
To book a Singular Cafe Flexible ticket you can upgrade an Incial Flexible ticket.
Child tickets
An unconventional aspect of iryo's ticketing is that it doesn't offer dedicated rates for child tickets, when travelling with children.
Those aged 0-3 don't require a ticket if they travel on an adult's lap, but they will need a ticket if they are placed in a seat.
Children aged 4-13 travel at the 'standard' rate = the same price as Adult tickets.
2 hrs
Daily
5 x trains per day
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Final Destination: Valencia
The French national rail operator, SNCF has for some years been operating double-decked high speed trains branded 'Ouigo' as a lower-cost, more basic alternative to regular high speed TGV services in France..
It is now also operating these Ouigo services on the Madrid to Valencia route; all of which are non-stop to Valencia
These Ouigo services are an alternative to the two services operated on this route by Renfe, the Spanish national rail operator; the regular AVE services and the more basic (and therefore similar to Ouigo) avlo services.
The core idea is that the Ouigo (and avlo) services are more basic, but cheaper than the regular AVE services.
Though the Ouigo services are typically the cheapest option, if you book ahead you can find prices on some departures from €15.
Departing from Madrid:
Note that due to the rebuilding work at Atocha station, these trains depart from Chamartin station which is adding around 10mins to the journey time.
Aside from the seating and the fact that avlo are single deck trains, the key differences in the on-board experience between the Ouigo and avlo services are:
Luggage allowance on Ouigo trains = 2 pieces of hand luggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth)
OR
1 Hand baggage not exceeding 36 x 27 x 15 cm (height x width x depth) + 1 Cabin baggage not exceeding 55 x 35 x 25 cm (height x width x depth).
Luggage allowance on avlo trains with no additional payment = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
(Note that when filming these videos, ShowMeTheJourney was travelling in the opposite direction from Valencia to Madrid).
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date; depending on the time of year.
Ouigo Plus tickets cost extra but live up to their name with XL seats available, the ability to choose a seat; and to board with a large item of luggage at no additional charge.
Summary of ticket term differences
Refunds:
Exchanges:
Child tickets:
Ouigo = children aged 4 -13 pay a flat rate of €7.
avlo = children aged 13 and under travel for a flat rate of €5, maximum of 2 children per fare paying Adult.
AVE = children aged 5 -13 and under are entitled to a 40% discount.
If you want to place a child aged four and under in its own seat, they will also have a 40% discount on the ticket price, but if you'll be happy to travel with the child on their lap, then there is no charge.
Rail Pass Users:
Eurail and InterRail passes cannot be used on Ouigo services, but if you want to add Madrid to an itinerary and will be travelling with the flexible type of pass, taking the Ouigo can be worth considering, particularly if you can find tickets for under €20.
You can then use a day's travel on the flexible pass on a route when no low-cost train services are available.
2hr 5mins (approx)
Daily
3 x trains per day
ShowMeTheJourney earns a small commission on Trainline ticket sales. It can be a particularly good option for comparing high speed train operators in Spain, as it sells tickets for the AVE, iryo, Ouigo, avlo and Euromed trains.
Renfe is the national rail operator in Spain and it has recently simplified the range of tickets it sells for express and regional train journeys in Spain.
Which is convenient as there are big savings to be made if you book ahead online.
The national rail operator, Renfe, has launched these avlo services to provide a lower cost, but more basic alternative to its AVE trains.
This is the info page for these avlo services on the renfe website.
The request from Renfe is to be at the station at least 30mins prior to departure.
The core differences between avlo and AVE services, aside from avlo not conveying 1st/Preferente/Comfort class are:
Luggage allowance on AVE trains = Up to 3 pieces of hand luggage onto the train, provided that the sum of the three does not exceed 25 kg or 290 cm.
The maximum dimensions allowed are 85x55x35 cm.
Luggage allowance on avlo trains = 1 piece of hand luggage (bag, rucksack, etc.) subject to the following size limitations: 36x27x25 cm and 1 suitcase, subject to the following size limitations: 55x35x25 cm.
1 piece of additional, larger-sized luggage, measuring a maximum of 85x60x35 cm (or no more than 180 cm in total) can be be paid for as an added allowance - but the price for doing this ranges from €10 if added when booking, to €30 at the station just prior to boarding.
Another core difference is boarding time.
SMTJ suggests being at Madrid Atocha least 20 mins before boarding an AVE train, because having once been towards the back of a long queue for the security check procedures, this scenario is best avoided.
However, for the avlo services, the specific recommendation from renfe is to be at the station a minimum of 30 minutes before departure.
Because the size and weight of the luggage will be measured at the station pre-boarding an avlo train.
(Note that when filming these videos, ShowMeTheJourney was travelling in the opposite direction from Valencia to Madrid).
Book early and save: Yes
Online bookings usually open: up to 6 months ahead of the travel date - depending on the time of year.
The online booking window can be shorter between late July and early October.
When looking up journeys (not travelling) between late July and early October, it's likely you won't be able to book for journeys beyond the second Sunday in December.
Both the Renfe (Spanish national railways) online booking service and the ticketing services, Trainline and Trenes sell tickets for journeys by the avlo and AVE trains.
Trainline and Trenes also sells tickets for the alternative Ouigo and iryo services.
Seats will automatically be assigned when booking tickets for this journey by AVE and avlo services.
Difference in core ticketing terms between AVE and avlo services.
Refunds
Exchanges
Child tickets:
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